Curse

Lem · Mar 20, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

That is why Sliver Armour owns all

Eldin · Mar 20, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Ah come on. Everybody (that plays pve long enough) knows that de drop rate increases if you kill them 1 by 1 instead of all at the same time. >.>

It's true!

...yet somehow everyone loves to 55...

Sypherious · Mar 20, 2008, 06:57 PM // 18:57

I personally agree with this idea. Remove LS and bring back the fun. But I would like to state something. I and tons of other people have the ability to make 150k+ a day. How? Beat NF, find a good farming guild and do full HM runs in DoA with ursanway. I saved from 0g up to 100k enough to buy full primeval for my monk in one day. If I can do this, anyone else can. How do I get 150k? Explanation:

At the completion of each area in DoA, you will get double the amount that you would in NM of anguish gemstones. 2 at first area, 4 at next, 6 at next, then 8!! gemstones at last area. Now do this again but only in reverse, you will have accumulated 10 sets. Witch is about 120k. And the other 30k will be in drops, and armor remnants.

Now I only speak for NF players. The non-NF players, I have no idea how you're going to do this which is why I'm agreeing to remove LS.

/signed.

romeus petrus · Mar 20, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Eldin

It's true!

...yet somehow everyone loves to 55...

I don't see a problem with 55 SV. its SOJ that messes things up.

mr_groovy · Mar 20, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

Explanation Doa Bear Ambrace thingy

While this is certainly profitable. U first need to complete NF, have a descent rank in LB & Norn. Then if you have a good pug you can get it together.

I for one Like some variation, and do runs to make money when ever I please, and not be dependable of a team. Thus solo farm.

mr_groovy · Mar 20, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

I don't see a problem with 55 SV. its SOJ that messes things up.

That and SS.

Also just did a We/Me Uw run, Total Merch 800Gp ish. Total number of ecto's: 0. Profit made -200gp

Sypherious · Mar 20, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

While this is certainly profitable. U first need to complete NF, have a descent rank in LB & Norn. Then if you have a good pug you can get it together.

I for one Like some variation, and do runs to make money when ever I please, and not be dependable of a team. Thus solo farm.

Not if you monk it

, which is extremely easy. All you have to do is spam heal party and the occasional seed of life. No one cares what rank in LB monks are. If you can heal, they will take you. That's what I do, even though I have eotn. Not gonna waste time ranking up in Norn

Eli Rela · Mar 20, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Ah come on. Everybody (that plays pve long enough) knows that de drop rate increases if you kill them 1 by 1 instead of all at the same time. >.>

I am going to dig through archive now... I participated in huge study, with lots of Excel spreadsheets done and we prove that drop rate anti-farm does exist.. I hope that thread is still exist. Zelnehlun group and some other were main case study back then... about 9-10 month ago

OK, here it is:

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...php?t=10159729

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showt...ight=zelnehlun

Creeping Carl · Mar 20, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I guess if LS ever gets removed, the new petition you farmers will be making is the removal of the "hassle" of killing monsters so you can get the gold and loot directly. In that update, the mobs still stand idle and hand you their stuff as you run by. Afterall, loot is all that matters right?

Loviatar · Mar 20, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

has anybody noticed that you no longer have the option to filter the membership list by post count?

last time i could check almost 40 percent had never posted and 60 percent had 5 or less.

which shows actual player participation here.

NOTE

JEFF STRAIN is reminding the developers at this conference of researched, proven, marketing fact.

most of the player base never visit even the official site let alone a fansite.

Quote:

QUOTE JEFF STRAIN

Pay close attention to complexity creep. Don't assume that most of your players are reading your website and consuming information about your game. Most of your players will never read your website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions. We are often immersed in the community forums and rants and raves posted to game fansites, and it is easy to lose perspective about the knowledge level of most of our players. Players who participate in fansites and send six-page emails to your community team are experts at your game – they probably know more about it than you do – so it's important to realize that they do not represent the average player. The vast majority of your players are not digging into every detail of every spell or creating lists of animations so that they can react when they see the basilisk twitch its nose. They want to play, not study, so take care to create a game that allows them to do so.

mr_groovy · Mar 20, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I guess if LS ever gets removed, the new petition you farmers will ....bla bla bla

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As Topic starter I must remind everybody:

LS effects everybody. 1/8 & 8/8. Would everybody stop saying that only farmers should oppose LS. I'm getting a little bit tired of having to keep reminding here

Bryant Again · Mar 20, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

has anybody noticed that you no longer have the option to filter the membership list by post count?

last time i could check almost 40 percent had never posted and 60 percent had 5 or less.

which shows actual player participation here.

I pray to God you're not basing anyone's opinion off of "participation" in this thread, Loviatar.

hallomik · Mar 20, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

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As Topic starter I must remind everybody:

LS effects everybody. 1/8 & 8/8. Would everybody stop saying that only farmers should oppose LS. I'm getting a little bit tired of having to keep reminding here

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10225077

Please post the thread that shows that killing fast reduces drops. This thread in the farming section shows it makes no difference.

kartmaster · Mar 20, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

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As Topic starter I must remind everybody:

LS effects everybody. 1/8 & 8/8. Would everybody stop saying that only farmers should oppose LS. I'm getting a little bit tired of having to keep reminding here

LS has NO effect on full parties. Period.

Burning Blade · Mar 20, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

4 of my chars finished all campaigns, almost all skills unlocked through AB, farming isn't fun anymore because of little reward for your time, I am left with only "fun" to do in PvE: title grinding!

For those who complain about the gap between rich and poor and items were too expensive, why don't u ask ANET to remove drops all together, make items available for free as long as you reach that merchant or crafter area. Unlike real life economy where we actually have to buy and sell stuff to survive, we don't have to do that in GW, just kill things and progress through story line without ever needing to think about drops. Is it how you called "fun" and how we should play the the game?

Loviatar · Mar 20, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I pray to God you're not basing anyone's opinion off of "participation" in this thread, Loviatar.

no i am stating that until they removed the filter by post count that just over 40 percent of the 150,000 plus registered members never bothered to make a single post.

site stats not this thread which would be udder idiocy

i simply quoted an expert who reminded them of proven, many year researched market fact.

advertisers/site owners/game companies need this accurate information to help determine their site budget for example.

if relatively few come it would be foolish to blow half your advertising budget on an amazing site.

hallomik · Mar 20, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Since not everyone reading this thread remembers the old system, I wanted to repeat this point: If you repeatedly zone into the same map, all of the quality drops will be disappear regardless of party size.

All those players who do DOA or Magus Stones or Varajar Fells or any other zone repeatedly in full teams will see their gold drops, lockpicks, tomes, etc. all be replaced with low quality white items.

This was the old system to narrow the gap between solo farms and non-solo farmers: worsen all drops if you entered the same zone a few times in a row.

The problem with the old approach was that it not only hurt solo-farmers, but it also hurt regular players repeating a zone. Sometimes you might just wipe against a boss a few times and unwittingly trigger the anti-farming code - nerfing all your drops to whites.

In the old system, it was very tricky to farm greens. You could not simply kill the boss 20 times in a row. If you did so, the boss (and every other mob on the map), would only drop low end whites. The solo-farmers typically didn't care about this because they were merching everything for gold or they had developed elaborate systems of cycling thru different farming areas to avoid triggering the code.

If we elimininate Loot Scaling, not only will many things become more expensive to the "normal" player, his loot and gold will decline significantly if he wipes in a zone 3-4 times or if he tries to "farm" Norn points. In fact, the old system is utterly incompatible with the current reputation scheme which encourages zone repetition.

The current LS system very elegantly focuses its effect right on the solo farmer, and leaves the normal player untouched. Also, the smart solo-farmer can still outearn the casual player by several times or more. As a person who enjoys solo farming on a regular basis, I remain firmly opposed to the elimination of Loot Scaling.

Jade · Mar 20, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

What I always wondered was why they started this at all? Think if it in real life terms.

Sure you could go out and rob 10 seperate people and get $10 from each netting you $100 right? But it'd take 10 minutes to rob each one, making it take 100 minutes. (counting running away time and time to find the next guy. Then say you go out and find 10 people around a campfire rosating marshmallows. You rob all 10 of them for $10 each netting you $100, but it only takes 10 minutes. AND you get some free marshmallows.

So maybe anet put in the "kill em all at the same time and get bugger all for loot" thing to make people play their game even longer?

I know I used to farm alot back before ls, but not so much since. I miss my monster drops.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 20, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Soooo... I should buy lots of ectos with my +800k?

I don't really see why loot scaling was so bad anyways. Seems like it's the way it should have been from the get-go.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 20, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Seems like it's the way it should have been from the get-go.

In that case, please delete your +800k.